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What is/is there an equation to figure the speed a projectile travels, based on the PSI or force applied? Answered

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Carmelite
Carmelite

11 years ago

Now, if you wanted to optimize the force of the object on impact, thats a totally different thing. :)

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PKTraceur
PKTraceur

Answer 11 years ago

Close, and helpful information, but I need to find the FPS of a certain projectile's mass with a certain PSI/force that is in a certain diameter of piping. Get it? -PKT

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jtobako
jtobako

Answer 11 years ago

Then why not phrase it that way? "If I have x psi, what is the velocity of a projectile y of z mass and m diameter assuming a path of p length with q difference between the diameter of y and p (or friction coefficient of r) and a initial source of air of s volume and a conection of t diameter (or a valve opening in u seconds)?" OR, how many psi do I need for a paintball gun?

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PKTraceur
PKTraceur

Answer 11 years ago

Hah. Why does everyone think I want to measure a airgun? :P -PKT

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

Answer 11 years ago

> I need to find the FPS of a certain projectile's mass ... . That's a pretty big hint.

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PKTraceur
PKTraceur

Answer 11 years ago

Couldnt it be somethi - ahh, nevermind... -PKT

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jtobako
jtobako

Answer 11 years ago

Like?

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PKTraceur
PKTraceur

Answer 11 years ago

A water-bottle rocket is the only one I could think of in 4 days... . . . Fine, your right. -PKT

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lemonie
lemonie

11 years ago

Why did you post this three times? (see answer on one of the other 2) L

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PKTraceur
PKTraceur

Answer 11 years ago

To make it more clear,

Close, and helpful information, but I need to find the FPS of a certain projectile's mass with a certain PSI/force that is in a certain diameter of piping. Get it?

-PKT

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lemonie
lemonie

Answer 11 years ago

I get it, but experimental measurements may be easier. If you calculated the force on the projectile over the distance it would be easy, But you'd have to make several assumptions about the actual pressure, friction, bypass, resistance from external air pressure etc.

F=MA or A=F/M

As an example 50 PSI on a 1" surface gives a Force of 50Lb. If the projectile is 1/16Lb your Acceleration is 50*16 (Diameter of pipe will give area through pi*r2)
Final velocity = root(2A*length of pipe travelled)

L

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PKTraceur
PKTraceur

Answer 11 years ago

Can you explain force? (Actually, assume I do not know any of these formulas.) -PKT

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lemonie
lemonie

Answer 11 years ago

Ah, force. It's what pushes the projectile, it can be measured in pounds force, where it's equivalent to the weight pushing vertically downwards. I'm used to SI units where force is measured in Newtons (N).

Acceleration is the rate at which speed changes, i.e. how fast it goes from zero to final muzzle velocity. SI is meters per second per second (ms-2)

M is Mass (SI Kg)

The last is an equation of motion

L

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PKTraceur
PKTraceur

Answer 11 years ago

Okay. That explained it much better. Now, can you give the equation, with just variables? Perhaps show in parenthesis, what each varible means in laymans terms? (Am I asking too much? Sorry :) Thanks! -PKT

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lemonie
lemonie

Answer 11 years ago

The air pressure (PSI) is pushing the projectile, as PSI is Pounds per Square Inch, the amount of push (Force) depends upon how many square inches the compressed air is pushing against.

If you think of your tube, and a simple projectile (like a wine-cork) the air pushes on the end of the cork, in this case a circle about 3/4 of an inch across. The area of the circle (several burning questions Instructables on this) is given by pi x r2 which as an approximation is 3.1416 x (3/8 x 3/8) is about 0.44 square inches. "r" is the radius which is half the diameter (3/4 inch)

Multiply the PSI by the area calculated above and you have the force in pounds acting upon the projectile.

The force will cause the projectile to Accelerate, which can be quantified as the Force you calculate above divided by the mass of the projectile. More force = more acceleration, more mass means less.

The equation of motion is derived elsewhere (previous link), the speed at which the projectile leaves the tube is given by the square root (don't have symbol) of (2 x Accelleration x the length of pipe that the projectile travels)

Condensed:

Speed = sq root ( (2 x length of pipe x PSI x pi x r2) / mass)

(I think)

I'm probably not going to be able to do a better job than that, it's a bit tricky. But as I said earlier, experimental measurements may be better in real terms.

L

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PKTraceur
PKTraceur

Answer 11 years ago

That above post is exactly what I was looking for!

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PKTraceur
PKTraceur

Answer 11 years ago

That explained it better. Perhaps Ill study these in math class... :) -PKT

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PKTraceur
PKTraceur

Answer 11 years ago

They're slightly different , thus different answers needed. -PKT

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NachoMahma
NachoMahma

11 years ago

. If you know the mass of the object