rubber band guns

Instructables needs more rubberband guns so please help design new rbgs

Posted by bob the builder #1 10 years ago


Ideas for rubber band (elastics) guns

From someplace that takes rubber band guns seriously-including accuracy contests...ガンロッカー ( GUNLOCKER )and the translated page.

Posted by jtobako 10 years ago


Klutz rubberband contest- K'nex

Now this has to be a competition we have a chance in. My immediate idea was for a plane, what do you reckon? Ideas welcome, and I may have a crack at it myself.

Posted by knexguy 9 years ago


Lego Weapons

 Does anyone know of a lego weapon other than a rb gun or a crossbow? Possibly a catapult? Is anyone up to the challenge of making one and putting it up on instructables?

Posted by xraptor777 8 years ago


Hey im new :)

Hey im new guys :), im intrested in rubberband stuff, so...yeah. Does anyone have an rubberband gun intructable? not a lego rubberband gun, one made from wood, a repeater rubberband gun weith a cog n stuff. Well that all :)

Posted by QueroAlpha 10 years ago


The Jamagic rubberbands are no more! =(

We are packing up to move house and I had to throw away the magic rubberbands that I always use to get amazing ranges. I've still got my K'nex though... phew. But Ima have to do with 64#s for now...

Posted by The Jamalam 9 years ago


How long do your rubberbands last on knex guns?

Just wondering how long your rubberbands last on knex guns and does anyone know a way to make them last longer. I know one way, to refrigerate them, I don't know why but I read it in my book of useless information (thats the title).

Posted by sillydude123 10 years ago


Rubberband gun shooter thing help

I'm new so I'm not sure if I'm posting in the  right area but i need help. I'm trying to make a rubber band gun shooter thing but sometimes when i try to let the rubber band go it gets stuck. I originally used a metal piece with three angles and now im using a old allen rench. Normally when pulled back i use my hand to keep it steady but since i needed to take the picture i used a nail (probably not the best thing to use when stretching a rubber band), but anyways i was wondering if anyone had an idea to make the rubber band  ball thing always go off? P.S.  need an idea for the wooden gun shape.

Posted by Vertox 8 years ago


BLOCKHEAD: Precision Knex Crossbow

This is the latest crossbow I've made, the front bow is not that special, but holds a lot of power and is why I choose the name =pThe trigger however, took me about 2-3 hours to make and is a fully working true trigger.Here are Instructions:https://www.instructables.com/id/BLOCKHEAD_Precision_Crossbow/Also 2 video's:Part 1: Showing Trigger Mech and loading: Part 2: Showing destructive power:

Posted by Wicky 9 years ago


Small Foldable Crossbow + Side Project

1st Image: This is what the current prototype looks like, when unfolded. It can pierce through a piece of cardboard using its 1x3 rubber band string. It actually is pretty sturdy, although he blue flexi's could be considered exotic pieces =/2nd Image: This is what it looks like when folded up, when the 4 blue flexi rods are made loose, it will try to fold up.3rd,4th,5th Images: This is what I made in an attempt to make a crossbow even stronger, this one uses 8 strings of 5 rubber bands; 2 strings per wheel. It currently does not have a trigger and it is not possible to fire it without it, because it is impossible to draw back.

Posted by Wicky 9 years ago


Help needed

I am creating a collection called the rainbow loom fun collection. I will be collecting until 1/31/14 but, if I do not collect enough instructables  I will extend the date. If you want to find out if the date has been extended you can look at my profile and orangeboard. If you would like your rainbow loom instructables to be added to my collection please say so.            Please help me collect instructables for my collection.        THANK YOU!!  you will help me a lot.   

Posted by marionpixie 4 years ago


I Need a Strong Knex RubberBand Trigger!!!!!!

I need a good strong knex trigger that can hold a heavy rubber band for my new gun. Please help me!!

Posted by Loosewire; SOE Operative 11 years ago


semi-auto/full-auto knex rubberband launcher

A semi auto rubberband launcher. really a semi-auto and a by un connecting 2 peaces you can quickly switch to full-auto. uses a new triger system that i thought up. lets the gears turn only when you push the triger. working on instructions. i also made duel rpg pistols useing the same firing system. i will put those in the instructions.https://www.instructables.com/id/semi-auto-knex-rpg-twin-pistolsrifle/

Posted by dsman195276 10 years ago


T.V.I.K.T Entry

Here is my entry, it seems to be a mix between rail and slingshot crossbow.This makes it incredibly sturdy and enables me to put the trigger lower.The staircase shaped rubberband string is there to get more power out of a smaller area.Nice and heavy weapon, destroys cardboard easily and gets a nice 175 feet range.Camera on phone seems very sensitive to movement, sorry about the slight blur.

Posted by Wicky 8 years ago


the worlds first fishertecnik gun

Well i made a rubberband machine gun. it uses a new macanisem i thought op. the motor turns string. the string is connected on one of the berrals. to load it you pull the string over the berral and put a rubberband on top of it. when you pull the triger the string pulls the rubberband off the berral shooting it. i also put the gun on a universal joint so i can turn it. i just noticed in the picture the string is not connected to the berral. sorry.

Posted by dsman195276 10 years ago


Knex Classic Pirate pistol

This is my new gun, it's a ratchet operated pistol similar to DSman's crossbow, I haven't came out with the averages but it shoots pretty far and hurts like hell. What do y'all think? (I currently have 4 rubberbands on it)

Posted by mutt256 9 years ago


my knex robot

This is my knex robot. it fires rubberbands. should i post instructions?

Posted by dsman195276 10 years ago


Decimator Crossbow (v7)

Well I finally got some more pieces, more still coming; this enabled me to build something bigger =dThis crossbow(more like cannon, now) has the following specs:Ammo: 1 Standard arrow, which needs to be ductaped other wise torn to shreds.Weight: 4,5 kilo's (9,92 pounds)Range: Not tested outside, will beat the Reaper and the Blockhead for sure.Rubberbands: 32, 8 strings of 4 ( these may still be increased as it shows no bending yet.)Power: Just look at 2nd picture....should explain a lot.Trigger: Same as on the Blockhead, some big improvements on it though.(Surprised about how power much it can take...)Sturdiness: Seems close to unbreakable lol...Without realizing..I also made a very good scope on it o.oI had a purple+blue 3d connector as arrow tip and when I fired on my cardboard box, it made a huge tear...and my ears were ringing like from an explosion O.o'Well this monster has bad points:Need a long/strong left arm if you are right-handed, because this thing is heavy as hell.Cannot fire without trigger.Every arrow needs ductape otherwise connector gets torn off.Also I gonna try and say...:I think this may very well be the most powerful ranged k'nex weapon on this site at the moment.

Posted by Wicky 9 years ago


DragonflY Assault Crossbow

Pictures have been taken, Instructable will have the Y-shaped bow and a normal shaped one. Stock and scope will be optional. And uh...yes these things actually hurt...I shot a few arrows into my own leg..just so I could feel how much it would hurt xD Instructable will up soon, need to find some time to write it.

Posted by Wicky 9 years ago


Rubberbands for Guns

Thanks to many dedicated members of this community, this site is full of fantastic projectile weapons. However, many people, like myself, need tips of what brands or sizes of rubber bands we should use. I built many snipers and powerful guns, but alas, the rubber bands didn't do their jobs. This is what this forum is Intended to prevent. New Twist: Where to get SURGICAL rubber bands. Something not so easy to get.

Posted by King825 9 years ago


Who wants knex

Who wants 27 pounds of knex(more than enough for a tr36 and a ksayer all at once) plus tons of rubberbands make an offer.

Posted by silentassasin21 7 years ago


"How Many" Contest #3. Win a patch! =WINNERS ANNOUNCED=

First of all, yeah, it's not really Knex. But this is one of the most popular sections, and this is where I posted the last two. CONTEST ENDS DECEMBER 24. Anyway, there are 2 ways to win. 1) Guess closest to the actual amount of rubberbands. Winner: cj81499 2) Guess how the amount of rubberbands relates to my 'ibles account. Winner: Nobody (Sorry) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The actual relation between the amount of rubberbands and my 'ibles account is that I joined 3/05/09 (March 8, 2009) and 3+5+9 =17. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Note: You can only win once. =============================================================================== knex gun builder: 25. No relation guess. Kairah: 19. Wrong relation. chopstx: 18. Wrong relation. Killer~SafeCracker: 9. Wrong relation. Shadowman39: 22. No relation. Rock Soldier: 3. No relation. shadowninja31: 15. No relation. knexfan9182: 25. Wrong relation. DJ Radio: 20. Wrong relation. knex_builder_freak: 16. No relation. Hiyadudez: 18. Wrong relation. cool bas3: 21. Wrong relation. smilee: 28. No relation. cj81499: 17. Wrong relation. Kinetic: 23. No relation. knex_pls: 84,340. (LOL) No relation. Seleziona: 36. No relation.

Posted by travw 8 years ago


My new semi-auto RBG

This is my new semi-automatic, true trigger RBG. Normally nothing new. But this one can take twice the amount of rubberbands. Thanks to some creative use of a red gear ( I'm aware I didn't use an actual red gear, that's because I didn't have any. So I sliced the pegs of a yellow gear ) This actually started as a mod for Dsman1's RBG, but it turned out to be something different. It still uses the system that is somewhat his, of a red gear turning a blue gear. It can take 15+ rubberbands without tearing itself apart ( Nearly does though ;). My record is about 18 or 19 rubberbands on it. The reliability isn't 100%, because there is an uneven amount of pits in a red gear (33), which are divided by 4 stages. So it's hard to get a good pattern for the rubber bands to shoot of. This basicly means that sometimes it either won't shoot, or it will shoot 2 rubberbands at once. I don't know if this is a problem with an actual red gear though, since my altered yellow is far from perfect. Do you want me to post it, or is there no demand for a new RBG?

Posted by Dutchj 10 years ago


New knex pump action idea

Ok, to start off, If you are wondering why I dont have a gun to demonstrate this concept, its because I just thought of this a few hours ago.So anyways, I have an idea for a pump action concept. This idea would work like thisthe rubberbands would be hooked onto the pump instead of the gun via Y connectors on the pump.when the pump pulls the ram back, the rubberbands do not expand or contractafter the ram goes behind the trigger, the pump is pushed forward, expanding the bands and giving the gun its powerthe pump hooks into a locking mechanismthe trigger is pulled, and either recoil or another mechanism hooked to the trigger unlocks the locking mechanism for the pumpThe advantage of this over other pump action guns would be that the pump would be easy to pull back, no matter how many rubberbands are on the pump.

Posted by DJ Radio 9 years ago


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I izzz makezzzzzzz ittttttttzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!! Here is a video. please note I am using 3 number 64 rubberbands.

Posted by benfoxg 9 years ago


Handheld crossbow (working on trigger) very first Knex gun ever.

Handheld crossbow shoots pretty good,gonna make a new version more powerful and with a trigger and it shoots through the opposite side that the rubberband is pushed down.

Posted by Trigun78 11 years ago


Should i post this gun????

Should i post this gun???? it will be my first gun specifications: uses low amount of pieces uses a firing mechanism similar to the killerk srv1 firing mechanism, has a good range if you use a small rubberband defects: it is made with small pieces

Posted by gomas211 10 years ago


New Colaboration Partner

Hello, im looking for a colaberation partner, i have an idea for full auto, posibly semiauto gun, lots of power, true trigger, bullpup. Need help with looks and a tester, i have only 1 Rubberband. Anyone?

Posted by knex gun builder freak 8 years ago


Wearable Mechanical Butterfly Wings

I have half an idea of how to make the wings on my daughter's fairy costume work. My ideas involve vairying degrees of a pulley system, springs or rubberbands, and kite string. Any ideas of how to connect the pieces -or alltogether better ideas- would be greatly appreciated.

Posted by mae060669 9 years ago


new knex gun

Hey i have made a new knex rubberband gun its still in beta testing but i am defenitley going to post it here and i dont yet have a picture of it (i cant use my moms camera) so i will work my best in mlcad its just killerks srv1 handle with a barell of my own creation i made it when i noticed i did not have enough peices to make his gun so i modded mine to make it rubberband gun compatable and i have done this a long time ago but i moded my knife and made a switch blade knife so if you want me to post the upgrades/new stuff yeah i will try and get a video up of each thing soon

Posted by J_SCAP 10 years ago


Crossbow V5 "Reaper"

This is the Reaper...it may not have great look, but it sure is effective.This one uses 4 strings of rubberbands and has a really sturdy trigger which also may be a new design.Sorry for the bad pictures...all i had at the moment to make a picture was an ps2 Eyetoy. https://www.instructables.com/id/Reaper-Crossbow/It is finished!

Posted by Wicky 10 years ago


REALLY REALLY SEMI AUTMATIC KNEX GUNS !!

Hello everyone, I was wondering Couldt someone mayby make a gun with a magg That has rubberbands in it + a bullet And then u make some trigger system that pushes smal railes Up with the firing stuff Inside the magg Thank y`all for reading and GOOD LUCK !!

Posted by beameron 9 years ago


Is making a k'nex blowgun a good idea?

I'm new at instructables and I have been trying to figure out a good k'nex instructable. I noticed that most of the k'nex instructables are guns. I have posted a k'nex rubberband gun, but I started thinking about posting a k'nex blow gun. Is this a good idea?

Posted by Pax415 11 years ago


Did Klutz ever publish a "Rubber Band Powered" book?

I know instructables held a "Klutz rubber band powered" contest a while back, but it doesn't seem like Klutz ever published the book the projects were supposed to be featured in. I searched their site, and it only returned "Rubber band powered flying machines".

Posted by kcls 8 years ago


Revised TR8 review

Ok, so I decided to rebuild it, and I found I got some stuff wrongBodyStock: 8/10 Why: comfyHandle: 8/10 Why: Comfy overall, but there is this spot where I get poked sometimesTrigger: 9/10 Why: seems very reliable, It didnt break this time around (idk why, I built it the exact same way I did from last time), but when you remove the rubberbands, that green rod can fall out.Barrel: 9/10 Why: works very well, but its a generic tube and stickTurret: 10/10 Why: It works awesome with the rest of the gun. Looks: 9/10 Why: looks tight, especially when loaded up with red rods, but the turret seems a bit out of place with the rest of the gunPerformanceRange: 10/10 Why: 90-100 feet flat (2 rubberbands)Power: 10/10 Why: its the most powerful gun I have ever made. It can shoot through various heavy duty cardboard boxes with 2 rubberbandsReliability: 8/10 Why: the turret is a very effective method for the repeater, however, it sometimes skips rounds, but rarely.Innovation: 7/10 Why: nothing that new, except for the revolving mech and the trigger.Recommendation: Yes, I would recommend it to anyone who doesnt want to use a bulky knexsayer, or a single shot in a knex war.Final rating: 9/10

Posted by DJ Radio 9 years ago


Grenades for grenade launchers

I was watching the military channel, and I saw the M32 grenade launcher. I really want to build something like it with knex. But here's the problem: I have yet to find a grenade that can fit in some sort of barrel. I'd use Carlz's grenade, but the rubberbands on the outside of it would GREATLY decrease the range. We need to make a smooth grenade, any ideas?

Posted by travw 8 years ago


What was your first EVER gun that you made?

Heh my first ever attempt at a gun was 2 grey rods and a ton of orange connectors connecting the grey rods making a barrel. then i strapped on a rubberband for power put a grey rod in the barrel pulled on it at the other end along with the rubberband and Walah! My first ever Knex gun. My next design was the same thing except with a firing pin. Then after that a trigger then a very premature handle. The funny thing is that my first gun was probably the most powerful out of all my guns...pretty much ever. Then i stumbled upon Instructables finding first the amazing killerk gun then my guns took a step forward and now i am creating crossbows gatling guns sniper rifles shotguns and all of those types of guns. But my simple pull back gun was what started it all. Whew! wrote a novel there well i just wanted to know what the best builders out theres first guns Please Comment

Posted by knexster 11 years ago


Need DIY Nerf-type weapons for Christmas - Ideas??

Our Christmas tradition starts at about 10 am with a rowdy war of some sort. Unfortunately, the Nerf company can't make an unbreakable item for overgrown boys. This year, we're going with DIY weaponry. The Marshmallow shooter is too tame, and the rubber band gun is too harsh. What other options are out there? 

Posted by Very Interesting 6 years ago


THIS is the ultimate knex gun

The big chunky one has a 7 shot magasine and the smaller one has a crank operated chain which at the moment has 15 shots but can be made longer. the big one fires red bars aboiut 40ft if you use the right rubberbands and they still hurt if they hit you at 20ft:):) the smaller one fires yellow bars about 30ft with slightly less power if anyone likes these i will put up full instructions

Posted by pape21 11 years ago


a real pump action shot gun out of knex.

By a real pump action i meen it loads the round not pulls back the ram. the idea was to have a crossbow type thing. have it shoot green connectors. the pump has a claw that has hands made out of hindges. when you have somthing in the claws path that goes inside of the claw and will move the claw hands out to let go of the round. and the thing out side of the claw hands the make it grab the round. so first you lode the rounds green connectors. then you pull the pump back so that it grabs the green connector. the green connector has a rubberband on it. when you pump back the green connector is pulld back and loaded. the claw hands then go over the thing that makes them let go of the round.the next green connector is loaded. the green connector is put in place by the mag. when the greenconnector is fired it slides over the nexted one loaded and leaves the rubberband on the next green connector. then you pump agein and the prosses starts all over again for as long as you want.

Posted by dsman195276 10 years ago


NEW knex SPEC-9 sniper rifle- NOW RELEASED!!!!

IT IS POSTED! https://www.instructables.com/id/Radioactives_knex_SPEC_9_sniper_rifle/https://www.instructables.com/community/SR_v2_update/Here is a new gun that i will post (if you say u want it) AND keep. it is a big upgrade to the SPEC-9 pistol in range and decency. this will be posted both here and on knex innovationfull credit goes to oompa-loompa for the ammopartial credit goes to killerk for the bipodPROS-Better range than all my other guns combined (the house is not big enough to determine the range)-a slingshot-a great alternative to the SR-V1 for the piece-deprived-has modes for power or accuracy-uses a special barrel that has friction only where it's needed (this is achieved by putting the barrel upside-down except for the two parts closest to the trigger)-great range-to-parts ratio-new bipod can pivot around-rubberband does not fly off the gunCONS-terrible range compared to other slingshots (but the rubberband WAS stretched to the maximum)-bipod does not fold up-edit: now it does-the barrel has a weak point EDIT- PROBLEM SOLVEDshould i post?

Posted by DJ Radio 9 years ago


Should I Post?

Ok well i wanna know if i should post this true trigger pistol i made. its a semi automatic rubberband gun. its pretty decent, and can hold as many small rbs as u want, but after about 12 rbs, it gets hard to load. so should i post? and please rate EDIT: i took most of the pics, and will get the instructions up ASAP, but that might be a while cuz im getting left 4 dead today... ANOTHER EDIT: i AM going 2 post wen i finish with the detachable mag idea that me and dunkis were talking about. it might be a while, but ill get it up AGAIN, ANOTHER EDIT: i made the gun, i have all the pics except for the front of the barrel. i made it so it shoots pieces, but reloading takes a long time, so im just gonna post the rbg version, it is SLIGHTLY modified to have a longer barrel, and a slanted handle PLEASE RATE

Posted by stale56 9 years ago


My Failed Projects

My Failed Projects :-( 1,2 Pic: My Extrem 42, it was going to be named 41 but i gave my Extrem sniper that name. This gun is very powerful, and can be easily muzzel-loaded 3 Pic: My Extrem 41 Sniper, It was a very good looking gun, but it had only one problem and that was the range, it could only shoot 20 feet with 2 #64 rubberbands, so i gave up on it 4 Pic: My Elite 3000 MFHB... This gun had two firing systems in it, one was a false bolt-action gun, the other is a very cool slingshot gun, with a new firing mechinism. I demolished it because the bullet kept on backfiring at me (OUCH) , because of all the rubberband power 5 Pic: My Blazer v2... It was alright, I didn't post because it used KILLERK'S Mechinism 6 Pic: My Prototype of a gun. The idea is still under development So I can't say anything else 7 Pic: Yes, My lancer. I Loved the look of it, But it Always jamed and didn't shoot far, but i will try again one day 8 Pic: My First version of my singleshot, It was Amazing execpt the fact that it had no True trigger :-(

Posted by Der Bradly 9 years ago


Can anyone post the rules to the Klutz contest here?

For some reason, the link doesn't work for me, and I really want to enter it. I'm entering my ultra super lego chaingun/minigun/gattling gun! Beware! :D It shoots 7-10 rubberbands per second only, because of my weak motor... Or, I might enter my semi-automatic lego handgun, which reloads right after you shoot (about 6-8 bullets in the clip) Pretty sweet huh? :]

Posted by az1995 9 years ago


KNEX GUN IDEA FORUM

OK THIS WILL BE THE KNEX GUN FORUM - woooh!!! Any Ideas!!! PoSt ThEm , FoRuM ThEm , AnSwEr ThEm MaKe ThEm ImAgE ThEm                                           and so on... ...                       

Posted by kenexinator 8 years ago


KNEX TANK with a mg with no chain.

My tankit has a mg. and uses no chain peaces. the only exotic peace it uses is a orange gear. like a yellow gear it has the pegs sicking out of it but only has half the pegs. it can be made by cutting off half the pegs if you want. not very power full but that is because i am using a clasic motor. the motor has to pull bach the ram so to much rubberbands and the motor can not pull bach the ram. if made with a beter motor it could be stronger.o and the last picture is of all my knex guns :)

Posted by dsman195276 10 years ago


Knex hammer action pistol

Here is my knex H.A.S.A, that stands for hammer action side arm. It can shoot 15-20ft with one rubberband. It just a single shot hammer action pistol. I do have a reason why I post this one. The mechanism can be made much smaller and more compact, being able to fit in a Colt realistic revolver shell. All you'd need to build is the revolver out of grey spacers and scotch tape. It could be done, I may or may not try and build one. Whatcha guys think?

Posted by DELETED_Blue Mullet 2 4 years ago


(failed) Jackal v3 -UPDATED-

Ok guys, the project has officially been declared a flop. Too many issues with the shells. Sorry guys.UPDATEI have fixed the bottom rail on the gun, it doesnt bend anymore, and I have also added some extra supports to the barrel. I also modded the handle for more comfort (I moved a blue rod on it). The gun fires around 50-60 feet with 2 rubberbands.Ok, so this is the shell ejecting gun I was talking about. It has a sorta-new barrel (it ejects shells in a pistol barrel, rather than a tan lock), but yeah it has tons of resemblance to the Jackal v2. This time, the magazine is fixed. Sorry folks, I tried to make a removable version, but the result was a structurally unstable knex gun. But at least its new (may not look like it, but you cant judge a book from its cover)I may or may not post, I still have to run more tests on it. I cant find another rubberband so Im screwed for range tests at the moment. It does perform decently with one rubberband, with ranges between 15-20 feet. As for shell ejection, If you band the pusher right, it should eject shells from the top perfectly.One major con that the gun has right off the bat is the fact that it needs 2 broken orange connectors. The reason for this is because using the purple connectors made the ammo fall out of the barrel, and using non-modified orange connectors interfered with the shell ejection.Now I intended to add a slide to the gun, but the slide I built was structurally weak and didnt work at all. Oh well.The part that users will have to learn the most is the loading and firing part. If you are loading the gun for the first time, you must pull the firing pin back first, then put all shells in the gun. Then, fire as normal. Now, when you shoot your last round, do not eject the shell. Instead, take the pusher out, then add more shells to the gun. Then fire as normal.If you are wondering what makes the shells, its just 3 gray spacers wrapped in tape. Credit goes to the dunkis for that.

Posted by DJ Radio 9 years ago


rifle knex gun

Here is my version of the klirk magnum i modded it so it could hold more power it has a mag and every bit good knex builder dont need a instructable i know it doesnt has a shoulder piece but it doesnt need it please coment need to make it better and can anyone tell me what the hell a true trigger is couse i cant figure it out made my own versoin of a trigger and it works realy well you can put as mutch rubberbands on it as you want couse it wont bend or break thats what i like about it

Posted by T3453R 10 years ago


Should I post ?

Im not sure if I should post this, it kinda looks like a bazooka. I fires a big purple rollercoaster about 25 ft. And has a new trigger idea. It is powered by rubberbands and mainly a big orange motor found in the rippin rocket set(you can also find that rollercoaster in that set too). The trigger idea is fairly simple. A block thing blocks the roller coaster from running into the motor, so you pull the trigger the block goes down and the roller coaster gets fired. Some of these pics are really blurry, so I apoligize for that, and any mispelled words in this forum. Thank you for reading.

Posted by fobblewabble 11 years ago