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Hey everyone, I amworking on an HHO generator, have all of the specs, not sure how to procede, any suggestios? Answered

I am not sure how or where to hook the generator into a car, and I have also heard that it is important to use a pulse generator into the unit to control power flow does anyone know where I can find more detailed concerning the installation into an engine, as well as information on how to build, or buy a pulse generator?


What is HHO?  I understand electrolyzing water into component gasses Hydrogen and Oxygen, and that nether Hydrogen or Oxygen are known for staying in a mon-atomic state for long.

Is it like Red Bull, which gives you wings?

Or Gatorade, which makes you better at sports?

Or beer, which makes beautiful women attracted to you?

Or is it just marketing hype?  Ask the hard questions, like why the original 'inventor' started using a 12v system and 'discovered' that the 3v produced the same results (just like the chemistry books said for years) from less power AND CLAIMED A BREAKTHROUGH FOR HIS SYSTEM.  Or why his car doesn't run exclusively on 'HHO'-or why he isn't getting enough gas from his generator to turn off the fuel pump (a 2l engine is going to need 2000 l of 'HHO' per minuet at 2000rpm, which ends up being about 1.5 l of water and something like 1000 amps at 3v WITHOUT boiling the water-your car battery might supply 300 amps, but not for long).

This doesn't produce enough to run a vehicle, it is like a catalyst in the gasoline oxygen reaction making it much more efficient, it isn't the hydrogen exploding it is the gasoline at a much more powerful rate.

Do you even know what a catalyst is? Or how one works?

Please, enlighten me on the chemical reaction-IF you can keep the mystical mumbo-jumbo to a minimum.

Ok, a catalyst is a element or compound that reduces the amount of energy required to start a reaction. This usually results in a much faster and efficient reaction. I don't think the HHO can be counted as a catalyst, but it causes the same effect with the same principles.

Just say "I don't know"-it's simpler and makes you look smarter : )

The only way I can see that this could speed the reaction is by changing the octane rating of the gas-but still won't increase gas mileage because the laws of thermodynamics still apply.

I have done research and don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. I do, I have done the research. This is true facts. People report not getting improved mileage on their fuel injected vehicles, this is because of the previously stated facts. Essentially your car senses extra oxygen in the exhaust because HHO has Oxygen. To compensate it adds extra gasoline. This just works, who knows why, maybe something magical happens but it works. Period.

What reaction is going on that leaves the Oxygen behind? 'HHO' becomes (duh) water, USING UP ALL THE EXTRA OXYGEN YOU PUT IN.

Placebo effect-it's why FACTS are determined by double blind studies.

"you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"-but if you don't, the ASPCA gets on your can...

You don't know what you are talking about (you said so)-only repeating other people's mistakes.

If the computer is adding gas then why doesn't the car go faster? Isn't that how you control how fast the car goes? Or does that not make sense?

O, another thing is that your average combustion engine is only 18%-20% efficient, that is awful, a good dry cell is well over 50% if not 80%

Combustion engine runs around 10%, but if you want to load up on dry cells (let's see, I can get MAYBE 10 minuets of cranking out of a auto battery rated at 300 amps and a dry cell is rated at 1-2 amp/hours so...something like one moving van of batteries to a tank of gas? It's not efficiency, it's energy density) be my guest.

In the end it's not worthless, it has a benefit for some and if they want to they can try it.

Learning how to make the generator or sticking it in your car? Learning how to make it is useful, sticking it in your car to try to get better fuel usage is like trying to 'magnetize' the gasoline...

You can do that, and yes it does benefit some drivers, who knows why. It just does.

Hell, I don't know, I'm a text book guy because whenever I get on here I get told I'm wrong or its unsafe or I shouldn't do it so I just learn from facts recorded by people all over the internet. If multiple people report no change or improvement on their gas milage, but none report worse, then why not try it, have you ever done this or are you going by the book to, using your laws of science knowledge and not thinking outside the box.

As long as you think, everything's good ; )

the stuff like an 'hho' torch is pretty neat, it is a cool way to get energy from point a to point b - but as you very sardonically point out (quite awesomely) that its not cheaper or free energy...just a vessel.


7 years ago

You need to attach it to your air intake, and pass it through its own filter so you don't mess up your engine with water, foam, froth ext. Just put it right in to the hose form your regular filter to the engine air intake. You don't "need" a pulse generator, I produce a large amount straight from the battery. It does increase efficiency though, and also can give you power limits because they don't come supper big. Just look up HHO pulse generator on ebay: I found this biger one here http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PWM-PULSE-WIDTH-MODULATOR-55A-HHO-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45f8808c1aQQitemZ300521917466QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
It tells you why in more detail, but basically your engine sees more oxygen so adds more fuel when unnecessary.

I wonder why you don't get better gas mileage? Could it be because you are using up so much gasoline to produce electricity for Hydrogen gas generation at 10% efficiency?

Your engine senses more oxygen in you exhaust and compensates by putting in more fuel.


7 years ago

One more thing, if this isn't in your car you can use a DC pulse welder, use one that does have a square wave and turn the frequency, amps, and voltage all the way up, start with the amps down and bring up so you don't melt stuff.
If you want you can also look for DC pulse modulator

You need an engine that is converted to use hydrogen and oxygen premixed as a fuel.  The conversion is more costly than your fuel savings by creating your own fuel at home.  Granted electricity is cheaper than gasoline per unit of energy because of taxes - its still a large gap to make up.

If any of your documentation claims overunity then It's a scam.

"HHO" is not supposed to be used as a single fuel, nor do the honest proponents claim overunity.

The idea is that adding the gasses to the injected fuel mixture increases the efficiency of the combustion (which is usually down at around 30%), increasing the mileage obtained from the gasoline.

At least one reliable member of this site has reported efficiency gains with his unit, but others have reported no change at all.

An investigation by the Gadget Show (UK TV show) found that a commercial HHO unit, fitted by professional mechanics in exact accordance with the manufacturer's guidelines, produced no increase in fuel efficiency at all.

The efficiency issue is one of the things that I am trying to overcome, One of the shop engineers that I work with built one for one of our fleet vehicles, and it worked, except that the onboard computer noticed that the exaust was too clean, and started injecting more fuel to conpensate and that was where the efficency went. (at least that is what he said) he also said that the pulse generator, designed as a sort of throttle for the HHO generator would control the ammount of HHO that was produced in accordance with how much fuel is being used, I guess it is like a gas pedal for the HHO generator. does that make sense? 

Oh, it makes sense, it just doesn't deliver as promised.

By pulse generator do you mean pulse width modulation? If so, this website might be helpful, it explains the principles of PWM quite well and gives you some starter circuits.